Aug. 19, 2025

EP92 - Hillsdale UFO Sighting 1966

EP92 - Hillsdale UFO Sighting 1966
Season 2

In this episode, Natty and her guest Melissa delve into the fascinating events of March 21, 1966, where a dormitory of students, police officers, and the Hillsdale County Civil Defense Director all witnessed a mysterious football-shaped UFO hovering over a swamp in Hillsdale, Michigan. Natty discusses the similarities and differences between this incident and an earlier sighting in Dexter, including strange light patterns and the craft's extraordinary movements, while debating whether the events were extraterrestrial or a secret military experiment.

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Resources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_%22swamp_gas%22_UFO_reports

https://www.michiganpublic.org/environment-science/2017-03-28/aliens-or-swamp-gas-the-mystery-of-michigans-most-famous-ufo-sighting-lives-on  

https://bentley.umich.edu/news-events/magazine/flying-saucers-and-swamp-gas/  

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/sites/default/files/pdf_documents/library/document/0054/4525586.pdf  

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4892  

https://gandernewsroom.com/2023/03/07/michigans-swamp-gas-ufo-real-imagined-or-a-government-cover-up/  

https://www.hillsdalehistoricalsociety.org/alien-invasion  

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+type+of+environment+is+found+in+dexter+or+hillsdale+michigan&sca_esv=304cd5078918df87&sxsrf=AE3TifORO9RtWD8alm5oDFbsAYDNH6PM4g%3A1752433315439&ei=owJ0aJLVGoyjptQPmN6H8AQ&oq=what+type+of+environment+is+found+in+Dexter+&gs_lp=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-AD&sclient=gws-wiz-serp      

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek  

https://www.biography.com/scientists/j-allen-hynek  

https://projectblueblog.com/j-allen-hynek-the-astronomer-who-became-the-grandfather-of-modern-ufo-research/  

https://unidentifiedphenomena.com/people/dr-j-allen-hynek/    

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Everyone with Me again is miss list from Outrozetic Ghosts.

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We are going to be hitting up I know, right,

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part two, So if you haven't listened to the first part,

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I know it didn't say part one, two and three

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because I've decided that people don't listen as much when

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you do that. Last week's episode was the Dexter UFO

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sighting and just what they went through there, and this

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week we're gonna be talking about the next day the

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town over in Hillsdale.

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There's another UFO sighting.

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But it gets crazy, so I wanted to make sure

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that we again kept track as always.

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Thank you again for being on.

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Is there anything that's changed in the last week that

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you have going on or anything?

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Nope, just trying to catch up with episodes, all right.

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I'm really thinking about going bi weekly because it's just

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it feels like you are rushing episodes, and I think

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they come out better if you have more time.

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Yeah, I actually so, I have two things of notes.

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I might actually do one with him in the near future,

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so that'll cover one. I've got notes on another one

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that's ready, and then I have notes that I'm working

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on for a third. I've got the notes, it's just

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getting the time to do it. Hopefully this will be

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out and we'll get things going. But I guess we'll

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just go ahead and dive right in. I'm pretty boring.

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There's not a whole lot going on. I've got the

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new job started and there's some stuff.

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Yeah, thanks right. The bathroom, I was like, hold on.

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I was like, I'm gonna steal smooth before I go

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in there and record.

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So I lean over and I give him a kiss,

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and it seems like kissing the lights go off, like

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the lamp next to my bed goes off.

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He's like, that was weird. I was like, yo, little bit, okay,

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all right, so just so okay, back an action. Here

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we go, all right.

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On March twenty first, nineteen sixty six, just one night

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after the Manor of Family is terrifying encounter, the cool

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spring night air wafted through the streets of another Michigan

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town by the name of Hillsdale. Hillsdale, I keep what

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it called like high heels. Unlike the sleepy town of

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Dexter Housing. It estimated three thousand or less souls that year.

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Hillsdale was a bustling college town with what I would

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guess to be at least double the population bringing that

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city to life. So I'm from a tiny town. There's

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ever many people here. There's twenty five hundred maybe in

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my town, and just maybe half an hour down the road,

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you've got a college town. I guess it's a town,

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a college town, and they've got sixty plus thousand people there.

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Wow.

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Yeah, I'm just assuming that it's the same setup.

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How many people do you have in your town.

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Like between twenty and twenty five hundred for itty bitty.

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Yeah, you're smaller than my town.

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Yeah, it's like you blink in, We're not there anymore now.

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Just like in the Dexter encounter, somewhere between nine and

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ten pm that fateful night, the girls of the McIntyre

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residence sat in their dorm rooms, no doubt turning in

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for the night.

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So we got a dorm room lately coming in.

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It is unlikely that there was any ruckus in the

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hall since Hillsdale College was founded, sorry, it was founded

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and ran with high standards of.

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Giving more of a prep.

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School kind of vibe than a typical party campus that

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you would see today.

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You said it's high heel town. Of course you.

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I don't want to say, hoity twenty this is the

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world'm looking for.

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They were very buttoned up, strict rules. Yes, they weren't

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like a loose college that you would see today. Everything

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was pretty much in a line. They did not do

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co ed. I think the school was founded as being

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female only, but it might have been at this time.

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It might have been co ed, but they definitely did

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not cohabitate.

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Absolutely. Yeah, Oh Heaven.

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Forbid in the sixtiesel, Good Lord, Heaven help us all

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if there's a boy in there. That's why I'm also

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assuming that nine or ten o'clock at night they're probably

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all in at least in their dorm, if not in.

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Bed reading their bibles.

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Yes, yes, I'm sure, of course.

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Now this cross, this occurrence is the exact same night

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as Dexter. Following night, oh, the following night. Okay, yep, sorry.

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Dexter was on March twentieth. This one was on March

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twenty first, and if the students there campus had made

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it through a normal day, they were about to have

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a vigorous case of the Mondays.

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I don't know what dayly week it was, but the

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we're gonna have a case of the Mondays. Real quick, Okay.

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Suddenly there was commotion as nearly eighty seven young women

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called for others and rushed to their windows to witness

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their own astonishing anomaly.

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An entire campus.

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Saw.

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There's I mean everyone.

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It wasn't like oh a couple girls claimed, No, I'm

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talking tons of students.

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Yeah, they hear what they saw.

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Yeah, and they're back. Then you're like, okay, get know,

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come look at this. Come look at the Susan. The

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first people initially see it, and then they have enough

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time to then get the other students over to be like, hey,

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look at this ship.

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They would not be swearing.

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Oh yeah, look at this wondrous thing in the sky Susan.

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Gollie g I'm just like picturing an ascot.

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I don't know why, but they all have ascots on

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like little poodle skirts and ask us.

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But it was that fifties and sixties. I don't know

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they or sixties like the tied eye peace signed girls.

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It's not like seven or people.

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Is that the seventies or sixties? I don't know. I

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wasn't around. That's before my time.

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Sorry, anybody out there who knows, please don't at me.

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So they start rushing over the windows. Lights flash in

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the sky as yet another football shaped craft sped in

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and hovered just above.

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The Okay Arboretum.

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This sounds like a really funny word about half a

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mile from the dormitory full of stunned girls, I guess

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women at this point, probably for anybody who's not familiar

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within arboretum as I was not, is other verbiage for

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a botanical garden that is devoted to tree life, and

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this particular one was nestled into a swampy area similar

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to the atmosphere of the manor family's encounter, because theirs

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was in a swampy portion of their property as well.

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So basically you got a gardener trees, which I don't

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know why they just call it a baby forest, makeshift forest,

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manufactured forests.

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I don't know. So the football shaped object just hovered

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over the swamp yep zips over and just hovers, but

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it doesn't go down like the other one.

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This is just the bear nuts thing. We're gonna get

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into a little bit more of what's happening with it.

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This is just like initially comes in, zooms in and hovers.

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That's what they're seeing as of yet.

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Okay, now, the best view of the events unfolding how

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sophomore named Joseph fin Evans, who later gave a statement

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to the Hillsdale Collegiate, and a crowd of other young

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women of all ages. She goes out, she reports what

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she saw to the local college gazette. And then it

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wasn't just her, It was like a crowd of women

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were reporting these things. And Josephine recalled the initial approach

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of the craft and this is going to be a

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quote says, we suddenly spotted what appeared to be a

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strange light in the arb. It was odd the way

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the lights were, but it was also weird the way

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the UFO traveled end quote. Right, So she's already labeling

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UFO out the gate, which I find interesting for a

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button up college that the first thing they would go

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to would be a UFO. But you know, but it

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is a dorm made of Hers who was also the

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writer of the article Convenient, was Gidget Cone.

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Yeah, it's either Cone or con it's Kohin.

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I'd just call her Gidget forget the yeah.

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Gidget now.

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She followed up by adding, quote, there was a glow

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around it, and the lights of appeared to be pulsating.

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The glow was gone, and there were three lights which

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were yellow white, and then the middle one turned red,

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and then one on the left. We watched for about

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ten minutes, and then the objects seemed to move up

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and then to the right and left very slightly.

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All right, so.

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Again same we got two lights on e one light

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on either end and the light in the middle, and

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she's saying they've got yellow and white, and then all

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of a sudden, this middle one starts turning red, kind

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of like your eyeball theory.

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This is so insane because that many people star it,

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Because at first I was like racking my brain, like, okay,

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it's the sixties, yep. Were there like a lot of

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TV shows about aliens. What's pushing them? I don't really

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know what happened in the sixties with aliens.

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Which when was the War of the World that was

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nineteen thirty eight.

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Oh, then I talked about they already had the.

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Betty and Barney Hill Roswell was what forty I think,

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right or eight forty eight.

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I know nothing about aliens. I don't even know about

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Roswell story.

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Okay, So there's just there's been plenty of encounters that

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were very popular up into this point, Like by the

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time you hit sixty six, you had quite a.

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Few well known ones. I would believe that you're gonna

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make me question it.

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No, because right now, if you have that many people

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that are seeing the same.

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Look at me.

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Roswell incident started in nineteen forty seven, so we have

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that one, and then we have Betty and Barney Hill

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was in nineteen sixty one.

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So we've got some very prominent UFO.

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And alien based encounters and abduction experiences that happened up

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into sixty six.

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So it's not like it was a brand new idea.

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But then again, you see a flying football the size

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of a car, I don't know what else you could

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even possibly think that it could be at that point.

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Some kind of military thing is what I'm thinking. If

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there's any military bases in that area.

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Oh, I should have asked, hold up, okay, I'm gonna

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go ask refest. I have a military guy in the

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other room told okay, I have used my phone a

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friend or as audience lifeline. So there are multiple bases

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in Michigan.

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Oh that that's a lot of doubt on this for me.

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Yeah, So I wasn't sure, but my source says, I'm

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a freaking reporter.

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I cannot name my source, but he says, this.

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Very handsome source I have in the other room say anyway,

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nice one, but anyway, so yes, there, I guess there's

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multiple up in Michigan. I don't know how close they

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are to dexter to me, but this is the only

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thing I want to take away for we'll analyze more

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than at the end. But so we have another football shape,

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we have the same colored lights. They're still flashing. We

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have the two light on either end, light in the middle,

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and all of that. So I just want to make

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sure that we are all on the same page. If

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you again, go listen to the last week's episode if

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you want to hear about that, because there's also the

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photo and the social media posts and we do more

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of a description on.

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There, and Gidget confirmed it.

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Yeah, Gidget says the gidget. Oh my god, the gidget

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is that. Oh love it.

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But anyway, so fear began to increase as the illuminated

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ship crept ever closer to the dormitory. Amidst the panic,

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some of the young women had the wherewithal to call

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for help on a rotary phone, fingers shaking while trying

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not to miss the buttons on the rotary phone, they

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attempted to soothe themselves enough to explain to the man

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that they were in dire need of assistance. The man

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they contacted in their time of need was William van Horn.

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God, I love it. The Hillsdale County Civil Defense Director.

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That's a cool title.

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Defense director. I know, right, he doesn't sound like he

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can do anything but step behind a desk.

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But hold on, notice the verbiage.

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So I'm thinking they must be pretty close to some

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military bases for it to be the County Civil Defense Director.

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I could be wrong, but it does makes sense. Okay,

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I might just be talking about my ass which I

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probably am. I just had that case Ventura when he's

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like talking with his butt cheeks. Van Horn answers a

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call and instructs the girls to continue to monitor the

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mysterious lights.

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That's his directions.

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Hang tis call back if it doesn't get better or

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it gets worse, Like that doctor when you have a rash.

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I don't know, just keep an eye on it, call

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back if it doesn't go away.

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That's the worst advice ever, But go ahead.

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Yeah, So they end him calling back, obviously, and this

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time he hopped in his police cruiser and headed over

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to the college, more than likely expecting a timid building

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filled with bored young girls, trapped by din mothers and

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a curfew who simply just called to pass the time.

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That's probably what he's thinking, right.

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I can't believe he waited, but yeah, that's probably what

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he's thinking.

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It's the sixties.

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It was a different time, but I'm not gonna say

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it's that much better now.

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They couldn't do anything. They were seen as like these weak,

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feeble things, exactly scared. I'm surprised they didn't go out

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and be like, oh my gosh, I'll protect you.

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They called, Oh maybe it's a it's about a hysteria.

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They're just ragging. No, it's stu shit.

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So I could see them not taking them seriously because

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it's a college dorm room full of young women, and

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chase it. It was the sixties.

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Upon arrival, van Horn threw the car and park and paused,

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staring in disbelief at the astonishing light show that was

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still happening.

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Next time, believe women right, Lights of.

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Various colors and intensities dance in the sky and unpredictable patterns.

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Van Horn was not the only law man who bore

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witness to the potentially extraterrestrial disissentric object. That's Hillsdale Police

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duo Harold Hess and Jerry Wise.

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Oh my god, this is the movie, right, it's gotta

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be a movie.

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We're on Aysan Wise are on the case.

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Yeah and Wise. It sounds like a law firm in

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corporate es.

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I'm hungry.

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Oh.

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But they were on their typical patrol when something got

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their attention, regardless of the mind gap between them. By

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the College, there was an object floating at a low

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altitude that the men described as so bright they couldn't

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look directly at it. The brave officers sped over to

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the arboretum, where they were able to see the craft

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that was emitting such extraordinary lights. In an interview with

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previously mentioned Gidget Has went on the record saying it

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wasn't a chopper. There was no humming. I took my

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weapon out. Jerry told me to put it back. Whatever

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it is, I don't think it'll bother it one bit.

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What you've got at your side, Jerry.

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Told me, when you said it wasn't a chopper, I

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don't know why I heard that voice.

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I did too. I'm so damn yeah, straight up in

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my mind.

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I just love how it's it's the sixties and he's

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a good old boy.

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I'm sure it's get my weapon and he's bro.

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Put the gun away, whatever is doesn't give a shit

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about your gun.

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Just put it away, man, someone's gonna get hurt. So, like,

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did you have a series, what was it?

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The Town? They know, the movie The Town when they

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were robin and they had all the masks on and stuff. Oh,

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there's an officer that's sitting there read a newspaper and

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he just turns his head to the right. I saw nothing, dude.

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Yeah, exactly like that. That's what I thought was crazy.

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So immediately following this exchange, the light separated and shot

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off into two different directions, causing even the police radio

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transmitters to malfunction.

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Oh wow.

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Right.

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When Hess and Wise ran back to their car to

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call for assistance, they were met with nothing but static.

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The officers froze with fear as the hairs on the

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back of their necks stood on end, with the realization

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that they may have to face this dilemma on their own.

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Just then, the lights zipped off into the east and

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faded to nothing. Moments later, there was a spark of

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what was described as a blue green whitish light, before

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completely dissipating around five point thirty the next morning, never

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to return. We're gonna take a pause there. This started

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at nine or ten o'clock at night. The one in

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the college, they said they sat and watched it for

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ten minutes, ten solid minutes of this thing hovering after

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it zipped in. And then we have the other ones

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that it's a mile down the road. They're seeing a craft.

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That's it's so bright. So then they get closer they

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see that it's a craft, and then it splits into two,

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does its little dance, and then it just let's see.

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You said, does it come back together?

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That's what I had my question about. Oh it split.

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I didn't get what was happening.

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Then yeah, so it said after he was like, dude,

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put your gun away. It splits into two and shoots

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off another direction, so it out both sides are different directions.

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It doesn't have to be like polar opposites. But when

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it does.

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That, it malfunctioned all the transmitters to the radios.

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They couldn't call out. It was like when you typically

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hear of.

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Radios may functioning, your car dies before an abduction, your

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cell phone doesn't work, which was pretty much all the

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time nowadays. But it does have a lot of electromagnetic

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effect and a lot of wavelinks and stuff like that.

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It has effects on just in general.

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I'm just trying to see when the light goes. You

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could see the ship and the light and then just

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the light goes or everything goes. Oh, I don't.

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From what I've gathered, it was the one group saw

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the craft and the whole nine. The officers initially saw

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a light that was so bright they couldn't see, but

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then it says before that, let's see here, they went

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over to the place where it was hovering and they

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were able to see the craft with all the light

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show going on then, which I'm guessing, so if you

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have the football shape and you have the eye in

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the middle, but you have the lights on either side,

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I'm wondering if they were so bright, I wonder if

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it's either split or maybe it actually this would be

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the thing because remember in Dexter, at one point it

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just all the lights were gone.

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It just and was done.

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It didn't fizzle, it didn't fade, it didn't anything. It

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was just like light and then blank zip and it

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was done. So my thing would be, what if the

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lights on either side are not adhered to the craft.

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What if they're like sensors or something that they can

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shoot off, or like droids back in the sixties, and

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they could shoot the lights off, because that would explain

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why two of them went opposite directions or went two

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different directions, and then maybe the middle piece turned off

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like it did in Dexter, so they didn't see it,

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and then maybe they came back or there was that

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extra spark at the end, maybe that was the thing

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turning back on and then it just fizzles.

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So be in the annoying skeptic what reason would the

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military planes have for hovering over swamps. We don't know

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they're military, I'm saying if if they are not UFOs

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in their military, if it was military. If we're going skeptic.

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Sally here, what if they were running some kind of

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craft that ran off water and the closest that they

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had in that area were the swamps, or what if

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there was some kind of mineral or algae or something

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that the craft they were trying to utilize in that

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area that it would then have to go.

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Get.

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That's not the word I was looking for, but get

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is essentially it harvest. Or maybe they were just looking

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for a place in the middle of fuck Egypt and

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they're like, nobody's gonna be at the swamp. We can

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test our craft over there. Although the one right as

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to the college wouldn't have been the best VID.

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Yes, what I was gonna say, with all the girls

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faces pressed against the glass.

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Skeptic Sally says, it's nine ten o'clock at night. These

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girls should be in bed. What else are they gonna

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be doing with their life because they don't have a

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man to cook dinner for or whatever?

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Ohing yep.

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Yeah, So that's just what's going on with that one.

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As far as that goes, I don't think they would

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have picked a college town, but I don't know. Now

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we can dig more into that here in a second.

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I've just got a little bit left here of the

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actual notes to go, and then we could just break

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it down. After the story of Hillsdale hit the press,

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the Michigan encounters became a nationwide attention grabber, and more

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reports trickled in. Over the next week, many other residents

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and Dexter and Hillsdale stood in awe before they began

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phoning in report of strange sounds being inmitted from flying

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objects in the sky accompany accompanied by unexplained and rather

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erratic lights in the night of March twenty second, so

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this is two nights after the initial On March twenty third,

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in Monroe eighteen was ready watching with wonders. They whipped

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out their trusty camera and snapped some photos of a

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saucer they saw overhead. However, no one set eyes on

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the actual original photo as far as I can find.

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As far as I can find, nobody could say that

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they've seen the actual photo. But more shenanigans were underway

455
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in the evening of March twenty fourth, around six fifteen pm.

456
00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:47.759
Robert Nichols and his wife. I hate when they do that.

457
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:48.559
She has a name.

458
00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:50.880
Anyway, Robert Nichols.

459
00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:54.559
And wife, who were disrespectfully this is literally where I

460
00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:58.200
put his wife who was disrespectfully unnamed, were cruising the

461
00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:00.880
highway as they did hundred times before.

462
00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:02.920
She should have been vacuuming.

463
00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:06.440
Yeah, that she was. She was being a passenger. Princess

464
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:10.240
Oh Okay, so she was woman drivers, No they can't.

465
00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:13.920
You know that it used to be illegal for a

466
00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:16.599
woman to ride in a car or drive a car

467
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:17.200
without a.

468
00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:19.319
Jacket because it was considered to be improper.

469
00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:24.559
I did not, but oh my goodness, thankfully that was

470
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:25.000
the law.

471
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:28.160
Didn't matter if it was one hundred degrees outsideh better

472
00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:29.079
be wearing her jacket.

473
00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:32.200
That's insane. Yeah, I can't believe that there was a

474
00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:35.160
time where like, you couldn't even have your own credit card.

475
00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:41.240
You'd have to have missus.

476
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:41.279
Miss like that could be any woman anyway.

477
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:46.480
Gross, it's yeah, we're deciding to get into that. But

478
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.880
so they're cruising down cool night air, no doubt, whipping

479
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:52.880
in their hair as they listened to the Golden Oldies

480
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:56.319
and marital bliss. We're gonna assume for the better portion.

481
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:56.640
Here.

482
00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:59.839
Things got real when object about half the size of

483
00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:02.920
their car went zooming across the highway about two hundred

484
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.720
feet or you're welcome sixty one meters.

485
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.799
And this is what they see. They're going through boom.

486
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:11.759
They account this thing about half the size of their

487
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:16.880
car shoots across the road through their headlights and gone,

488
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:21.920
no light show. No how rain know anything, but we're

489
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:23.480
gonna leave you off on that because, like I said,

490
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:25.400
there wasn't much with this one. It was literally those

491
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:27.160
two saw it. They reported that they saw it.

492
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:28.559
I wanted to know that.

493
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:32.000
The same time frame here. It was going so fast

494
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:34.400
that it didn't give a good description. They just saw

495
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.200
something fly across the road that was huge.

496
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:41.200
It doesn't say how fast.

497
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.960
It does say two hundred feet one is six fifteen

498
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:46.640
in the afternoon.

499
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:50.279
I don't know.

500
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:55.880
We'll say two hundred feet in front. That makes more sense. Now.

501
00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:59.039
That was that encounter, And so we're gonna dive in.

502
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.359
We're just gonna go through this and try to see

503
00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:03.920
if we can make sense of any of this, and

504
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:06.480
then next week we're going to wrap it up with

505
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:09.319
some information about the investigation and the man who actually

506
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:11.960
headed up most of it, and how they coined the

507
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:13.039
term swamp gas.

508
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:14.799
We're gonna go over that next time.

509
00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:16.759
I know we've been dropping some little breadcrumbs over the

510
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:19.839
last couple of weeks about the swamp and all of that,

511
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.200
but it's gonna get into more detail next week.

512
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.119
But let's go back here to the beginning.

513
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:31.359
We have a whole dormitory full of college kids, which

514
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.359
then too, it's the sixties. I feel like if you

515
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:38.200
were a woman in college in the sixties, you were

516
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.160
not messing around. You were there for business. Was like,

517
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:41.680
I better get my shit together. I got to get

518
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.799
this degree. Like I could be wrong. I don't know

519
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:48.960
what the sixties were like, but given the atmosphere that

520
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:52.920
they portrayed in this particular college, My sister went to

521
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.279
college at Saint Mary's of the Woods, and it gives

522
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:58.079
me a very much same vibe. It's a Christian college

523
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:04.200
or whatever gives me the same feel that this college does.

524
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:08.240
So many people had seen it. They were all reporting

525
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:09.039
the same thing.

526
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:11.440
Then they called.

527
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.519
The officer gets in his car, drives there, and he

528
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.400
sees it with his own two eyes, probably feels like

529
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.519
a giant arse, or i'd hope he does. How do

530
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:24.839
you feel or what do you think about just that

531
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:25.640
piece alone?

532
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:29.319
I think he is an arse because he didn't go

533
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:32.200
out until the second phone call. But I think that

534
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:35.640
there definitely was something because the fact that many people

535
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:40.039
saw it, and you have law enforcement coming in that

536
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:44.640
also saw it and other people reporting it. Now the areas,

537
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.000
I don't believe the ones that report it like the

538
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.599
ones that call immediately when it's happening, I believe, But

539
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:53.119
you know how all the neighborhoods people would be like,

540
00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.440
oh yeah, I saw that yesterday too, but they didn't

541
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.319
report it at the time like that. I don't believe

542
00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:58.240
none of them. Shut up.

543
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:03.119
Yeah, I don't recall anything being in the papers. There

544
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.960
was no notoriety for anybody necessarily other than like a

545
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:08.440
few names.

546
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:10.160
It's just like I said, it's a roomful of people.

547
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:13.880
Then there's like the sheriff, the officers, the government employees.

548
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:17.079
That were named.

549
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:19.240
The other ones were not, except the girl that wrote

550
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:20.599
the paper. And let's just be honest.

551
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:24.200
You were reporter. You were wanting attention anyway. So there's that.

552
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:28.160
I need to look and see how far apart these

553
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:31.039
towns are. It might not have traveled that far.

554
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:31.839
I'm talking.

555
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:35.599
So we had Dexter one night, then we have Hillsdale

556
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:39.000
and Hilldale's happening in the same night. All of these

557
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:44.519
the college town, the sheriff or the civil defense director,

558
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:50.720
and then the two officers. All of those happened on

559
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:52.759
the same night. So there's no way they could have

560
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:57.599
fed off the other one. Does that make sense yet?

561
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.240
I'm not. I'm saying I believe these people, And it's

562
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.240
the people days later the thing like this that are like,

563
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:06.359
oh yeah, I heard that too, Oh yeah I saw

564
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:09.480
that too. Those I don't believe. But the amount for

565
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.319
that night, I definitely think that there was something there.

566
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:14.720
I don't know if it was a UFO, I don't

567
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:16.759
know if it was military. I don't know what it was,

568
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:21.000
but I think that there definitely was something in the sky.

569
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:25.400
I'm leaning towards if there was something football shaped, which

570
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.400
again I feel like if you see something football shaped

571
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:32.119
from the side, it's probably in all reality a saucer

572
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:35.640
shape as a whole. You're just getting the side view,

573
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.960
and it's just like a fat foot, like a fat

574
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:42.519
saucer instead of it being like a pancake, but.

575
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:44.880
No tilting. You know that.

576
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.359
It's just like boom light shows zip in. This one

577
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:49.799
didn't even zip around as much until the end. It

578
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.160
was basically just it zipped in, it hovered, did some

579
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:59.079
disco light thing going on, and then well, I said,

580
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.000
the other officers see it splits them to two.

581
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:01.240
Now.

582
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:04.119
Granted, I don't know if the two side lights came

583
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.680
out ejected and maybe they were doing some kind of

584
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:10.920
oh my gosh, I lost my brain in my chain.

585
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:15.480
Oh thank you, Yes, like a grid, like doing some

586
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.440
kind of scan or something like that, and maybe the

587
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.559
main piece unlit or because I don't see how it

588
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.799
could split. I don't know how it works, but it's

589
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:33.000
splitting into two doesn't make any sense. But if there

590
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:35.519
was something that looked like that in the in sixty six,

591
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.920
that means that odds are that was it, because you

592
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.640
have everything from Roswell to all back, way way back.

593
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:52.799
We have saucers again, right, originally there's saucers, And if

594
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.200
it was military, I feel like it would have advanced

595
00:31:55.240 --> 00:32:00.720
a little further than just another a fatter saucer. And

596
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:03.519
I don't know what the military uses, what they don't use,

597
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:09.319
thank god, oh kind of information, but I feel like

598
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:12.920
we would have a lot more stuff nowadays that looks

599
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:14.799
more like a saucer.

600
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:21.400
Then that might have been just that, just them testing out, Okay,

601
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.759
we had this before, let's make it wider, let's do this,

602
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:27.599
let's do that and see what works and what doesn't work.

603
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:29.359
Yeah, I just I guess.

604
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:31.519
I just feel like either there would be another branch

605
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.279
or something similar to it had they successfully done anything,

606
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.519
because at this point, they've already got like twenty some

607
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:41.799
years in to try to reverse engineer whatever the hell

608
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:44.559
they found in like the forties or the thirties, and

609
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.559
I just feel like there'd be something that we have

610
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.160
that looks more Saucer esque.

611
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.680
But this could have been an attempt and then with

612
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:58.680
any organization than the minute a new person comes in,

613
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.240
they're like, oh, scrap it, this is my way. Yeah,

614
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:03.799
and at some point it could have just been totally changed.

615
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.359
Okay, yeah, that does make sense, having the shift change

616
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.480
and yeah, okay, I get you in that.

617
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:11.920
We'll hop on that bandwagon. I'm with you.

618
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.200
That's why I was just like, what the hell? They

619
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.880
all report the same lights, like the same colored lights.

620
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:19.200
They have the one in the middle of the two

621
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:23.279
on the side, we have yellow, white red. Initially, that's

622
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.359
all you're hearing through the whole thing until you get

623
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:29.279
to the very end, the very end of the Hillsdale encounter,

624
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.680
there was that blue green white ish and it just

625
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:35.039
like it just said spark.

626
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:37.039
It dissipated and was gone.

627
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.880
So we have white, yellow, red, and then blue green white.

628
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:51.279
Yeah, because they were flashing, and that's what all of them.

629
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:53.680
And I think I have to go back and look.

630
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.759
I'm trying to remember if the Dexter encounter had the

631
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.839
circular light in the middle being red as well, because

632
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:02.960
I know the Hillsdale did, because.

633
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:04.680
It never said that there was red all over it.

634
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:06.920
There was also only two people that witnessed the craft

635
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:11.440
like firsthand, and honestly, they probably weren't paying attention.

636
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.039
They're probably sot up a bit. They're too busy shitting

637
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:17.880
their pants with.

638
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:24.159
Their little flashlights. They're handing any flashlights, huh. And I

639
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.719
guess so. The other thing, too, is the one piece

640
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:31.559
missing from Hillsdale is they did not mention the checkered

641
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:35.480
or quilted pattern like they had in Dexter. But nobody

642
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.079
was as close as the Manners were to that one.

643
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:47.480
Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say. So, I

644
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.079
don't know. I want to blindly believe alien stuff, but

645
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:50.960
it's so hard to.

646
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:53.800
I'm literally watching a Resident Alien right now.

647
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.000
I love that show, Bridget That's what we were watching

648
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.920
literally before I came out here, and it's just cracking

649
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:02.239
me up.

650
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:03.800
But I just.

651
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:08.320
If it's the first couple few days and they're not

652
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.599
like releasing it to the press, they're not doing all

653
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:16.280
of these things. It's hard for me to be like

654
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:22.079
to totally disregard everybody else who reported something over the

655
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.239
next couple of days, because if it's like me, literally,

656
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.039
I have said that happens in my own town, and

657
00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:30.239
I am in town, and I have no idea until

658
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.719
somebody brings it up like a week later, and I'm like, wait, what,

659
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:36.920
no idea? That was the slice clue we gonna have a

660
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:37.800
building burned out of my town.

661
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:38.599
I would have no idea.

662
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:41.920
So you think that they weren't sharing this enough that's

663
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:43.159
why they didn't get more.

664
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:45.920
Well, what I'm thinking is I would.

665
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:51.360
I'm hesitant to not believe every extra account after the fact,

666
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.000
because I know that in some cases people might they

667
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:56.000
really just probably didn't hear about it, and they might

668
00:35:56.039 --> 00:36:00.280
have still witnessed something without being influenced by the other

669
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:01.320
encounters in the area.

670
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:02.920
Oh gotcha.

671
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.800
There are those that do jump on the bandwagon and say,

672
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:13.039
oh yeah, me too, I saw this, I did that, whatever.

673
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:19.199
Too. Better I didn't have read it back then, huh.

674
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:21.920
I know, did you read this?

675
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:22.079
No?

676
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:24.840
I read it? So what do you think?

677
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:32.559
I find it very fascinating that town's over same environment,

678
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:39.159
same shape craft same colored lights, and to me, there's

679
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:42.440
too many similarities between the two and such a short

680
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.360
time for it to not have some kind of gusto.

681
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:48.440
I don't know what it was, but it was something.

682
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:51.199
But why the swamps.

683
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.159
So one of the theories that people came across was

684
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.800
that they were using the water to something in the water,

685
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:02.159
or the water itself to refuel or maybe what if

686
00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:06.320
it's like I said, okay, so what okay, but.

687
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:08.719
Before you get into it, did the second one go

688
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:11.400
down as low as it hovered?

689
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:13.920
It hovered over and I remember, let me see if

690
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.679
it tells me, let me go back, because I know

691
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.719
it hovered over it.

692
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:26.639
Oh, so it'd be hard for them to know.

693
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:28.800
So it was about half a mile from the dormitory

694
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:30.000
that they're viewing this.

695
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.159
Thing, okay, And then.

696
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:37.480
The ones that got a better look at it were

697
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:45.480
hess and wise yelling it, let's see here.

698
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:49.920
And it just says they saw the craft, But it

699
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:55.480
doesn't say how far it was from the ground or anything.

700
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:59.519
It just says they were able to see it. So

701
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:01.400
I don't know how how low to the ground it was.

702
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:08.400
It couldn't land anyway if it's in a swamp.

703
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.239
Yes, like How is it getting the water even if

704
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:15.039
it needs it? Is it having a straw come down?

705
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:16.159
I don't understand.

706
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:18.960
There were the two little legs that came out of

707
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:21.440
the Dexter craft. What if those were.

708
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:27.119
What if those weren't legs or landing gears or whatever.

709
00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:30.599
What if they were meant to suck something up?

710
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:36.960
The aliens are up there sucking it like they're siphoning gas.

711
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:39.880
Oh my god, I just had deja vu.

712
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.559
That is the weirdest thing to swear that you've heard

713
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:49.280
you say before, Mace. Yes, I literally just got the

714
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:51.119
exact same picture in my head that I've had before,

715
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:52.920
and I'm pretty sure that was exactly what you said.

716
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:57.239
Is weird? That is so weird. But yeah, it's essentially

717
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:02.039
just if there's or the chug, it's like a reverse keg.

718
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:07.440
Stand But what if it is something, because it would

719
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:11.360
make sense that they're not going because in Michigan you

720
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:13.920
do have the big lakes and a lot of people

721
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:15.960
do report a lot of stuff over there at that lake,

722
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:23.119
and that's different type of water than say a marsh

723
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:28.880
swampy area. So what if it runs on some you know,

724
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.880
and there's all kinds of species in theory that come down.

725
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.039
What if one of them runs primarily on some kind

726
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:38.880
of organic matter that's more of a vegetative state and

727
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:40.480
less aquatic.

728
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:43.039
Does that make sense?

729
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.360
So they're looking for like algae, Yeah, what if.

730
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.880
It's the moss or the algae or whatever that's in

731
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:51.480
there that has what they need as opposed to just

732
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:57.920
being water or salt water or whatever. All right, so

733
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.239
what if it is, because then that would make sense.

734
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:06.360
It was nobody was close enough to it. And again

735
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:10.800
this happened at night, so even the ones said they

736
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:14.199
were so bright they couldn't see it for a hot minute.

737
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.800
It was just too bright to even look at. So

738
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.840
even if it was sucking anything up, or maybe maybe

739
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:20.559
the heat.

740
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:21.360
Oh here we go.

741
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.239
Even if it was say hovering, if it generated heat

742
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:27.440
and the heat went over the marsh and they were

743
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:33.960
getting the vapors, they literally got the vapis or that

744
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:40.440
any air, maybe they wouldn't have to see anything getting

745
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:42.920
sucked up because it would just automatically turn into mist

746
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.760
or fog or whatever. Maybe they were just testing it.

747
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:50.159
Those little sticks at the bottom were probes, because we

748
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.119
do that. They stick these little they look like little

749
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:54.280
they're like sticks with balls at the end and they

750
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.039
have sensors in them and you stick it into air

751
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:57.800
and it'll tell you what's in the air, if there's

752
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:00.840
like contaminant contaminants and how much and all of that.

753
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.840
Like we have that now as humans. We can do that,

754
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:07.400
I know cause I said, we're in a place where

755
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.199
he did it. Or they can stick the probe into

756
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.400
water and tell you, like your fish tank, to tell

757
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:15.280
you how's the acidity, what's this?

758
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.440
What's that? What should you put in your tank? What

759
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:18.440
if you have?

760
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:20.880
You hear a lot of stories about aliens that come

761
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.760
out and they always see them taking rocks or dirt

762
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:27.760
or but they need everything, right, you don't just want

763
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:29.760
the dirt. So what if these people were just they

764
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:33.000
were just the moss testers. You're gonna go into the swamp.

765
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:35.079
We want to know what's up with this area, and

766
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.280
they were just testing that, which is whether it's yeah,

767
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:43.880
they didn't have to land because they didn't need soil samples.

768
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.079
They just needed either air or water or something.

769
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:48.880
Is that?

770
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.400
What do you think that they came here just to

771
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:52.119
get samples.

772
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:54.000
I don't know.

773
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:58.559
Maybe they never landed so they didn't have any intention

774
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.000
of getting off the craft.

775
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:06.760
I they I always hear so many weird stories about

776
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:08.239
aliens living underwater.

777
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:13.000
Yes, usually it's in the ocean, though usually I think

778
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:14.840
actually up in the lakes by Michigan.

779
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:16.360
I think they do have some that say that they

780
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:18.159
are in and out of the water, don't they.

781
00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:22.519
I'm telling you, I know nothing about aliens. I know

782
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:24.760
et and resident alien. That's about it.

783
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:28.320
There's a lot in the ocean that they say are

784
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.679
like bases underwater and everything. I have a hard time

785
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:32.480
believing that. Now, granted I don't know how deep the

786
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:36.039
lakes are, but I have a hard time believing anything

787
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.079
could being a lake that we are not aware.

788
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:43.639
Of at that size. Yeah, but it's not to say

789
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:44.079
that there's not.

790
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:47.840
It's just that I have a hard time grasping it enclosed,

791
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.280
even though it is a very vast enclosed amount of

792
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:57.440
water or amount of enclosed water. I feel like there's

793
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.519
anything underground is probably in the ocean and not wouldn't

794
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:05.000
be in the swamp because I feel like that would

795
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:06.400
draw quite a bit of a tensent.

796
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.000
Do you think that these were young aliens and they're like,

797
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:11.280
we got to get our own place. We don't want

798
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:13.280
to live near Mom and Dad and they went to

799
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.119
check it out to see if they can make a

800
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:16.400
little apartment under there.

801
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:20.480
I'm picturing, what is it divergent? You put the helmet on,

802
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.280
whatever you do it, it tells you which, okay, hogwarts,

803
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:30.440
you have gryffindor gryffindor yeah.

804
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.280
Gryffindor So. What if it's just they put their sorty.

805
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:39.320
Hat on and they're like MOS's House, Walter House, and

806
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.280
then you have the rock House.

807
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:46.280
Then it's just something like that. What if it's just

808
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:47.960
that's just their job.

809
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:51.880
It's you go and you can be a medical assistant

810
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.840
or an r in or a doctor or a technician.

811
00:43:57.239 --> 00:44:00.920
There's different choices. What if it's just it was some

812
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:01.840
guy that's you know what.

813
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:04.679
Maybe it is. Maybe it's the extraterrestrial version of flipping a.

814
00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:07.119
Burger at MacDonald's and they're just like, FuG it, we

815
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:10.920
just gotta go around this damn swamp and get the

816
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:12.239
sample and get out of there.

817
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:18.159
I said, it never stops Mount Shasta. I don't know

818
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:19.039
if you ever heard of that.

819
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:20.119
I have heard of that.

820
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:23.679
Yes, and they're supposedly aliens in there, so if they

821
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:29.039
can live in like volcanoes and mountains then why not swamps?

822
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:33.440
Now? Is it that they live in it or is

823
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:37.559
that just the entry way and exit both?

824
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:40.599
I think it was supposed to beat up what's the other?

825
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:47.000
Oh gosh in Earth? No, it was, Oh my gosh,

826
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:49.400
what's the place that's supposed to no longer exists? They

827
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:53.360
did before. There were two areas that like fought each other.

828
00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:02.360
Huh oh no, Oh my gosh, you're gonna make me

829
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:02.960
look this up.

830
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:08.719
Sorry, the two things? That don't you mean? Like the

831
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:10.800
are we talking about alien species?

832
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:19.599
I am the worst. Give me one second. Oh my gosh,

833
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:22.360
why can't I find it? You know this thing too?

834
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.760
I know I probably do. The two things one doesn't

835
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:26.159
exist anymore.

836
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:29.320
They both, I think, don't. It was like, oh my gosh,

837
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:30.679
why can't I find we're talking.

838
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:32.719
About real people or are we talking about alien stuff?

839
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:38.719
Alien stuff? But people stuff like the like the Aztecs,

840
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:43.119
No Limerians and what's the other one?

841
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:44.119
The Marians?

842
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:47.639
Is it the Samerians?

843
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:50.039
I don't know that sounds right.

844
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:55.000
It's like the last continent of Limeria, which is supposed

845
00:45:55.039 --> 00:46:00.280
to be but they fought somebody else Atlantis. Oh my god, yes,

846
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.400
I don't know why that was escaping me something to

847
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:06.719
do with aliens limerians do though I thought they were aliens?

848
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.320
Does it? Oh?

849
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:11.639
Those are just people like the people see I'm telling you,

850
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:14.280
I don't know anything about aliens. I'm the worst person

851
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:15.559
to have on this episode.

852
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:19.559
That was awesome. It's like, that's the wrong direction.

853
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:21.679
Melissa, Okay, to right, I'm back.

854
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.320
Oh my gosh, we needed that. That's good. I needed that.

855
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:30.440
Oh good gravy that makes this up. I could see

856
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.519
there being both, maybe not murd people. Guess the other

857
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:35.360
thing too, is it's like people are like, oh, yeah,

858
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:39.719
the la City of Atlantis sank, and.

859
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.000
Then there was like mur people. I'm like, wait, whoa.

860
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:42.119
So you're telling me.

861
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:46.159
And it's SpongeBob that's what did it. It's a SpongeBob

862
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:48.800
movie and messed everybody up. That's what I think of too.

863
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:55.000
Barnacle Boy, murmaid Man, Barkle Boy.

864
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.519
But I'm just saying, if this happened, I'm like, so

865
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:00.280
you're saying that in one day people grew give and

866
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:01.480
learn how to breathe underwater.

867
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:04.480
That doesn't make any sense.

868
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:07.239
I don't know.

869
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.639
No one points that out. They just go with it.

870
00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:16.559
But I guess it could be military experiments with crafts,

871
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:19.719
because there are multiple.

872
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:25.400
I just haven't heard anything that makes it like more

873
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:27.239
alien than military right now.

874
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:33.440
I'd say probably the zipping off like this.

875
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.960
But who's to saying, can you tell me that everything

876
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.159
that the military has tested or is testing now?

877
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.880
I'm saying for something to go against our knowledge of

878
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:49.400
physics would be something that would not be man made.

879
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.800
But how can you guarantee that they haven't done that before.

880
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:57.639
I'm pretty sure if somebody was going that fast that

881
00:47:57.679 --> 00:47:59.719
I think about the people that broke was at back

882
00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:03.679
five or whatever that was they were all about. I

883
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:04.880
just like totally stuttered.

884
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:05.519
That was weird.

885
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.400
But did they say it was that fast or did

886
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:11.920
the light blind the people for a second so it

887
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:12.719
could take off?

888
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:14.239
They just kept saying zipping.

889
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:17.440
I don't know how fast zipping is though, but the

890
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.400
way it sounded and Dexter was like you said, it

891
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.199
was like left. Actually this one did left right up

892
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.039
down like it was doing patterns. And at the time,

893
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.000
to the best of our knowledge, there was nothing that

894
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.880
we had that could maneuver that fast and that.

895
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.199
Effectively like that.

896
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.679
We had things that took a solid minute to turn around,

897
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:39.800
you know, what I mean, like, it couldn't even you

898
00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:40.719
couldn't even just turn around.

899
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:41.960
You had to go in a big old loop to

900
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:42.719
get turned around.

901
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:45.639
But if it is that shape that you just said,

902
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.239
like a flying saucer, it could go left to right

903
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:53.239
very easily in that shape versus a plane trying.

904
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:57.039
To do that, depending on the propulsion method method.

905
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.480
Yeah, but I'm saying, and we're used to seeing planes

906
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:03.000
and how fast they take to turn.

907
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:05.480
Yeah. I just.

908
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:10.679
I have a really hard time believing that us as

909
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:19.239
humans have created anything like that thus far and today,

910
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:20.480
let alone in sixty six.

911
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:25.239
Well, I'll believe you because I know nothing about aliens except.

912
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:25.960
For what you're killing me.

913
00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:31.039
I go to mermaids. I guess that was perfect.

914
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:34.840
I can't even I'm trying to feel like, is there

915
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.639
a way I could link mer people to aliens? And

916
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:41.360
I'm like, I've got nothing. Maybe a ship dropped off,

917
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:47.719
their capsule was full of water and or and then

918
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:50.039
the pod is opened up in the water, and then

919
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:50.840
we have murd people.

920
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:53.199
Boom.

921
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:54.719
They have the aquatic ape.

922
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:57.719
Theory that you know is that you don't know the

923
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:01.320
aquatic Oh, so you have the apes, and then we

924
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:05.599
supposedly evolved from apes, went to land, and then we

925
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.199
lost our hair and all that stuff. But there's a

926
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.119
theory where we at one point a branch of us

927
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:15.239
went back to the water and became like an aquatic ape,

928
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:16.199
which would be kind of like a Mr.

929
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:20.239
Person, did you like how that was politically correct?

930
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:22.639
Person? Person?

931
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:25.360
But yeah, it was like that that.

932
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:28.000
A group of them either went back or at some

933
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:32.719
point the evolutionary process just went down that road into

934
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:35.880
aquatic ape instead of coming onto land, kind of like

935
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.199
how whales used to be on land.

936
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:42.480
Never heard that they evolved and then went back into

937
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:42.880
the water.

938
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:48.559
To your point, how do you grow fins? Like, how

939
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:50.519
do you how does any of that happen?

940
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.960
Aquatic ape theory is not the immediate thing that was

941
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.480
That is a one hundred people.

942
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:58.519
Would have to die like daily to evolve.

943
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:02.360
If that's the case, Yeah, I'm saying a quiteic ape

944
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:04.559
theory is not that at all. It is literally the

945
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:06.320
same time it took us to get to where we

946
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:10.039
are today from the original. It's just the tree split

947
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:13.400
at the beginning and one went our direction and one

948
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:14.920
went water based.

949
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.039
I'm just picturing like colonies throwing people in the water.

950
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.960
Or they just flood the whole town just to get

951
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:26.880
you used to walking around in water all the time.

952
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.000
And then they just increase the water level every one

953
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.159
hundred and fifty years or something, or I guess a hundred,

954
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:33.239
or I guess it'd be a lot. It'd be like

955
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:36.719
a million years or something. So you start with the

956
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:38.440
gills on your feet or flippers or something.

957
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:44.960
Oh my gosh, I'm still So you get to like

958
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.159
your belly button, and then you'll have fins, but you

959
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.400
still have hands. Yeah, okay, what.

960
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:52.000
Does a picture breathing underwater problem? Though? No?

961
00:51:54.920 --> 00:52:03.960
Okay, okay, let's go back Hillsdale. I will say this, Yes,

962
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:08.360
I very trifili like to stay pretty skeptical. I will

963
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:13.079
say I one hundred percent believed that these people saw something.

964
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:18.440
Something physical was there. There are two many encounters that

965
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:22.360
are too similar and too short a time for it

966
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.199
to not be taken seriously. So they saw something. Now,

967
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:28.239
whether it was extraterrestrial or not, I do not know.

968
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:31.719
For the timeframe. I would say some of the things

969
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:34.119
like the zipping around and the splitting of the lights,

970
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:38.360
and then it just like all that stuff, I feel

971
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:42.320
like that's not something that we weren't there in sixty six.

972
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:49.280
There was no landing, No one saw a creature. There

973
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:53.039
was nobody seen in the bubble on top of the craft.

974
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:59.480
There was no silhouette, nothing that insinuated an actual being

975
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:00.920
was even flying the thing.

976
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:06.400
I definitely believe that something was seen that day, but

977
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:11.000
I think the government keeps way too many secrets yep

978
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:15.400
that don't get released for years, so I can't fully

979
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:20.480
discount that it wasn't some kind of governmental military or when.

980
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:24.840
I found out there was a bunch of bases, I'm like, oh, okay,

981
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:27.840
Like that kind of knocked me down a few pegs.

982
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:31.480
Before that, I was all for aliens, and I'm like

983
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:33.760
it could be. All I know is that they saw

984
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:38.360
something that does not match anything else that we are

985
00:53:38.480 --> 00:53:42.639
aware of existing in that timeframe that is man made.

986
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:44.519
Okay, I'll give you that. Yeah.

987
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:48.079
So if I had to throw a percentage on it,

988
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:52.360
I don't know, I'd say I'm probably a sixty forty

989
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:57.800
with sixty being extraterrestrial, but maybe seventy thirty man, No,

990
00:53:57.840 --> 00:53:59.159
sixty forty sixty forty.

991
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:03.679
I'm about a night ninety military ten extraterrestrial.

992
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:09.320
And this is where we don't agree, folks, I mean,

993
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:14.480
it's hard to tell. Like I said, it's on one

994
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:16.480
hand you have all the encounters, but it doesn't necessarily

995
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:19.360
mean that it's extraterrestial. It's not like they saw a

996
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:21.599
gray alien or something in it or something came out

997
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:23.639
of it. It was literally just the craft and the

998
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:27.039
light show, all of which we had except for the

999
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:28.199
splitting and all of that.

1000
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.119
But like you said, it could have been drones coming

1001
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:33.199
off and if you see in light in drones.

1002
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:35.760
Yeah, but did we have drones in the sixties.

1003
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:41.719
I'm sure that military did. I don't know how good

1004
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:43.960
the cameras and everything on them would be, but.

1005
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:46.559
That mindus.

1006
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:49.920
The maneuverability about the object. That's what's getting me is.

1007
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:54.400
But you've only said like up down left and too fast.

1008
00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:58.719
I'm not really hearing it's like erratic fast. It's not

1009
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:00.880
like it's rhythmic and the movements.

1010
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:03.599
But I feel like that we didn't have anything that

1011
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:08.639
could up downside like super fast at the time that

1012
00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:11.039
we know of that we know of exactly.

1013
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:16.440
Again, skeptic skeptic Sally, that's me.

1014
00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:19.119
Skeptic Susie and I can be skeptic Sally, you.

1015
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:21.800
Can be skeptics susy gidget.

1016
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:26.119
But all right, I can't think of anything to go

1017
00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:33.960
with the gus sound though, gosh, darn gidget, Oh my gosh.

1018
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:36.119
But yeah, that's where I'm at.

1019
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:39.039
So I guess we could just wrap this up from

1020
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:40.440
there and then everybody could just kind of.

1021
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:42.599
Let us know. You know, what do you guys think

1022
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:43.000
it is?

1023
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:49.880
What's your percentage of extraterrestrial to military? Potentially? Any other

1024
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.360
comments of stuff. Feel free to, like I said, leave

1025
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:54.400
it on the pot or you could email it and

1026
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:55.960
all that stuff. You can reach us on all our

1027
00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:57.920
social medias too.

1028
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:00.840
And let's not mock Melissa too much for the whole

1029
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:06.519
Lamaran but not really.

1030
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:09.880
I want to hear somebody make a comment about Melissa's

1031
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:15.519
aliens of Atlantis. That means a whole different meaning to

1032
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:22.599
the word ancient aliens. But all right, do you have

1033
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:26.440
anything that you wanted to add in or close up with?

1034
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:29.599
No, that's it. I can't wait to hear next week,

1035
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.760
to hear the swamp gas. Oh that's what I'm waiting for.

1036
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.880
I'm super excited about it. Thanks again for being on Melissa,

1037
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:38.760
and until next time, everybody.

1038
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:40.159
We'll see you by.

1039
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:50.199
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