Aug. 12, 2025

EP91 - Dexter, Michigan's UFO - A 1966 Football Shaped Mystery

EP91 - Dexter, Michigan's UFO - A 1966 Football Shaped Mystery
Season 2

Natty shares an intriguing account from 1966, when a small town in Michigan experienced a spate of unusual UFO sightings. After a local family's encounter with a football-shaped craft emitting pulsating lights, the sheriff's office received 50 more reports of similar sightings. Despite skepticism and even vandalism targeting the witnesses, the community's unwavering response led to an official investigation by Project Blue Book. The next episode promises to delve deeper into the events that followed, including further sightings in Hillsdale.

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Resources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_%22swamp_gas%22_UFO_reports

https://www.michiganpublic.org/environment-science/2017-03-28/aliens-or-swamp-gas-the-mystery-of-michigans-most-famous-ufo-sighting-lives-on  

https://bentley.umich.edu/news-events/magazine/flying-saucers-and-swamp-gas/  

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/sites/default/files/pdf_documents/library/document/0054/4525586.pdf  

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4892  

https://gandernewsroom.com/2023/03/07/michigans-swamp-gas-ufo-real-imagined-or-a-government-cover-up/  

https://www.hillsdalehistoricalsociety.org/alien-invasion  

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+type+of+environment+is+found+in+dexter+or+hillsdale+michigan&sca_esv=304cd5078918df87&sxsrf=AE3TifORO9RtWD8alm5oDFbsAYDNH6PM4g%3A1752433315439&ei=owJ0aJLVGoyjptQPmN6H8AQ&oq=what+type+of+environment+is+found+in+Dexter+&gs_lp=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-AD&sclient=gws-wiz-serp      

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek  

https://www.biography.com/scientists/j-allen-hynek  

https://projectblueblog.com/j-allen-hynek-the-astronomer-who-became-the-grandfather-of-modern-ufo-research/  

https://unidentifiedphenomena.com/people/dr-j-allen-hynek/    




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Is miss list from outros out a ghosts. She's back

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on with us. We are getting ready to go on

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a trip on the podcast, or a podcast trip, not

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an actual trip, although that would be fantastic.

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It's still a lot cheaper though.

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Get ready because it's gonna be at least a three

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part I think it's gonna be stuck to three part.

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for part one, one incident for part two, and then

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we're going to handle the investigation and the man behind

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the curtain, so to speak, in the last part. So

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I wanted to get everything on here and get going.

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So in the beginning, that's funny, I just went biblical.

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Is there anything you've got going on or any upcoming

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stuff happening?

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I wanted to give an opportunity for you to throw

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that out there. No, I'm lame, No, I'm lame. I'm lame. Actually,

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you might be retiring, right maybe, Okay, you might be.

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Retiring from your current position possibly, Yeah, okay, so there's

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something to look forward to.

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Yeah, you might be retiring. I'm starting a new job

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and I have seen some shit already.

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How are you liking that? Turning into a nocturnal animal.

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Me being the true vampire that I am.

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I literally did not miss a beat the moment I

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switched my schedule. I've had no problem staying up all night,

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and I have actually been able to sleep at least

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a solid If I wake up, it's once usually, but

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I'm getting like eight hours of solid sleep, So it

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is working miracles for my mental health. It is stressful

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and a little fast paced sometimes. I walked in on

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a leg laceration last night, and I knew the woman.

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It was listed as a leg laceration. I knew, but

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I didn't know how far or how bad or whatever.

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And so I walk into the room and I saw

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the insides of this lady's leg and I'm like who.

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I was like, I literally op the door.

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I was like whoa, And I was like, oh sorry,

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I was not because it's like right there in front

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of my face, Like it wasn't like.

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I could have just avoided it.

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So then I'm like trying to ask questions and not

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stare at the leg. But I did not throw up,

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but I did not pass out, all right.

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Two points for me.

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But yeah, we've seen some doozies, but people, I'm just

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gonna say this now listeners out there, for the love

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of God, if you do not have an actual emergency,

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do not go to the emergency room. If you, I

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don't know, have the sniffles, you got a tummy ache,

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you know your cat bit you? I shit you not

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your cat bit. You You got bit by a tick

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the same day, not like you had symptoms that it

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might be lime disease. Literally, you just got bit. There's

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no way in hell that you would even know or

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that you could even be tested for anything. Please, for

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the love of God, just don't go to the emergency room.

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Call your actual doctor. And if you don't have one,

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get one. And if you're go to the emergency because

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you don't have insurance, get over yourself and get insurance.

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Okay, just say it. Disclaimer, But anyway, any hoosles.

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I'm super excited because the last multipart that we did

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was the Tokloshi.

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Yes, that was so fun.

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Oh my gosh, absolute blast. I still can't get over

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the suitcases. Every time I see a suitcase now I

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think a Tokoloshi's going to pop out and I chuckle

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and nobody knows why I'm laughing.

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Just whip one over his shoulder.

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Yeah, exactly, And this time our multipart is UFO based

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UAP whatever. At the time this happened, they were still UFOs.

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So we're going UFO because it was not coined UAP yet.

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Yeah, but we don't want to offend any UFOs out there.

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Yeah, at me, I am fully aware that I don't

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want anybody be like the UAP whatever. From BC era

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to current day, UFO encounters have been reported and documented,

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which we all know, right, everything from hieroglyphs to every

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there's all kinds of stuff throughout history. As far as

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we've been able to document, we've documented weird shit. But

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in the nineteen forties we began to see an uptick

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in accounts from the Battle of La which I covered

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previously a long time ago, numerous encounters from the Air

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Force fight fighter pilots to the infamous Roswell incident. So

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these are some that I just pointed out to just

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they're big ones that most people can account for. Not

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only are we talking about UFOs, we are specifically talking

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about the stuff that surrounded the whole coining of the

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term swamp gas. Okay, which shameless plug. I have a

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shirt on my store. It's on tea public and it's

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on my Squarespace store that is specifically made for this purpose.

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That it was actually my second I think my second

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design I ever made for the first or second and

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it literally has a gas mask and it she says,

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it's just swamp gas.

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That's awesome.

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So this has been a long time coming. And I

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was wearing the T shirt and was like, you know what,

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we're gonna do it.

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And then I found out.

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There's a whole lot more to it than I remembered.

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But anyway, forties we got this going on. Then in

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the fifties there were tons of accounts from the Lubbock Lights,

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the event in Washington, d c. Cigar Shaped Crafts in Loveland,

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the okay here we go Antonio Villa Boes account, which

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I also covered in a previous episode, all right, and

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a crowd favorite the Flatwoods Monster.

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Oh I know that one that will be.

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Making a landing on the pod at a later date, Yes,

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which I like to throw that one out because so

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many people love it and I feel like it's just

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recently gotten some traction. I don't think it used to

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be as pop as it is like recently. I'd say

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the last what five ten years. People are really hitting

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heavy on the flat with monster.

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Now dress, how can you not?

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But is it a dress?

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The outfit? How about that? Whether it's uniform or whatever.

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Either way up for debate later time. Either way.

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During these times, the government gaslighted citizens by claiming their

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accounts were simply caused by misidentifications of weather balloons, diabetes,

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mass hysteria, or pretty much anything else.

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Diabetes, I yes, never heard of that one. I don't

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know that much about aliens at all, though I am, okay,

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such like an alien novice.

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Okay, it's sightings in general. That a lot of times,

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whether it's creatures or UFOs or aliens or ghosts or whatever,

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A big thing that people see is do they have diabetes?

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Like they're having some kind of reaction to either too

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much or not enough sugar and they're hallucinating.

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Okay, thing low sugar ate equals of green dressed. All right,

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here we go.

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Oh my gosh, This lady came in and I felt

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so bad because I couldn't think of the stupid word.

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And they said that her sugar was high. My brain

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instead of thinking hyperglycemia, my brain put sugar high.

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The lady came in for a sugar high.

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I was like, oh my gosh, nice Natasha.

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The lady training was like, did she eat too much candy?

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Or what the hell are you talking about?

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I was like, oh my god, it was pretty funny. Now.

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The swamp gas excuse was added to the government's utility

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belt after spat of UFO sightings that took place on

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March twentieth, then March twenty first in nineteen sixty six,

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and the small towns of Dexter and Hillsdale, Michigan, respectively.

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We're touching base on a few little ones, but these

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are gonna be the two major one that we talk

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about this week. This week's one, next week is the other.

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So we're gonna get started out of the two with

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a quaint town of Dexter, nestled up in Washingtonaw County,

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found in northwest of ann Arbor. I am horrible with directions.

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I have no idea where that is. I just know

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that's what it is, and it sounded like a good

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directional reference. If anybody knows what that means. I could

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done navigate my way out of a wet paper bag, so.

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It means nothing to me. But now you guys know

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where we are. If you know what's going on, you

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can at least google it and fight it. So again. Dexter, Michigan.

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Okay, the mid sixties were simpler times when portions of

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landscape still remained untainted by industrial iron fist. Dexter consisted

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of primarily farmland and wet marshes full of subspecies of squirrels, turtles, ducks,

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bald eagles, and frogs. Just to give you an idea,

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we all can picture that, I think being a Midwesterner,

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we can.

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All picture that. I guess not everybody can.

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But although there was a vast amount of lush marshlands

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in the area, and other parts of the landscape you

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could find rows and rows of cornstocks dancing in the breeze.

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With a population that didn't quite reach two thousand, much

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of the human interaction took place around main Street during

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the daylight hours. Which this is starting to sound an

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awful lot like my town.

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It sounds like a horror movie so far, Like.

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I'm like sweet Home and you're like Heaven. Children of

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the corn.

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That's been exactly what I'm just gonna say.

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I grew up right next to a cornfield. We alternate

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every year we're not gonna get to the technicalities, but

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essentially every other year was corn and then the field

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on the other side of the road was on the

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opposite so at all times I had cornfield on one

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side of my house, like big cornfields. So it always

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creaked me out. I just couldn't watch the movies the

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whole way through because it freaked me out. I have

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also been chased out of a fence by a bull

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that we know was out.

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Oh my god. Yeah, we thought the bull.

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Was up and we were somewhere doing something we were

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supposed to doing. We were just kids goofing around and

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we just thought it was just gonna be regular cows.

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We go in.

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And we got met with a very big surprise. I

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found out how fast I really was that day.

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What a good exercise routine, give notice and up, we.

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Can put it all together.

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You get up, you try to ride the pig. You

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gotta escape from the big pig. Then for lunch, you

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know you gotta get that afternoon exercise.

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You go out, you get chased by a bull. Camp

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Natty's Booty Camp.

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Yeah, oh my gosh, that is too accurate and too funny.

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I'm pretty sure you're gonna find out real quick that

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there's a bit of a difference. Like I said, lots

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of farm land for anybody who is not from an

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area where farming.

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Is a huge thing.

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Typically the fields are large, there are lots of them,

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and the houses are generally pretty spread out. And then

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you usually have a tep a quote unquote town I guess,

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which is essentially a strip of your grocery store, your

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gas state. I don't know what they had all back then,

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but right currently you basically got fast food, gas station,

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grocery store, probably a wal Mart, let's be honest, or

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a or a Dollar General, and you essentially have that

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main drag and then maybe some businesses like a block

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or so on either side. And that's pretty much the

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extent of the town. However, the easy going, sleepy town

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aura was shattered on the night that would go down

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in Ufo history, which was March twentieth of nineteen sixty six.

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At the heart of the encounter we find local farmer

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and Korean War veteran Frank Manor, his lovely wife Leona

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Uh and their teenage son Ronald.

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Ronald. That's it right.

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Their farm was cozied up between the woodland and swampy

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terrain of the Lowlands.

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This is what I'm picturing.

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Small town family like most in my own sleepy town

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on a typical Sunday evening. Frank still in his bib overall,

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his feet kicked up on the coffee table, hat pulled

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over his sleepy eyes, the schedule of tomorrow's chores running

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through his mind as he just tries to relax. Leona

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continuing to rock that flattering hand tailor dress depicted on

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most mainstream medias of a housewife. She meets pinup style,

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still cleaning up the dining room and doing the dishes

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following the home cooked meal that she likely spent hours preparing.

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And got no appreciation for.

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Right yep, Ronald, I'm assuming sitting at his desk lamp on.

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I'm picturing him as a type.

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He's got his nose in a good comic book. Comic

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books are just coming out. He's a teenage boy, prime

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opportunity there to just do his teenage thing in his room.

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It's late, he's not doing. His chores are probably already done.

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Homer's already done. Whatever they've got going on. I'm assuming

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they have the TV in the background for noise. Since

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there's not much going on in a rural community as

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of yet. But at around eight thirty, the family's six

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fur alarms started barking, drawing the family towards the window.

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To see what the fuss was about.

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Frank and his son saw a red glow zip across

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the sky like a shooting star, reaching its destination above

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a swampy area just north of the home. Even more

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discerning was that the flashing lights flickered even after it

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came to a halt. The curious craft was reported to

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portray pulsating lights, which some accounts report green and red

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radiating lights, while other was more white and red pattern.

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We've got these flashing lights going on, and like most

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of us, the family was more curious about the strange

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light that heard above the nearby marshy area. So the boys,

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the man Dad Frank, and son Ronald, initiated investigation protocol,

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leaving the mother alone inside the house typical.

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Patriarchal form.

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Cleaning Yeah, threw the yeah, get in there, staying there,

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clean woman. We're gonna go investigate because we're the men

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of the house. But both men stood in disbelief as

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they watched the craft sit back and forth behind the

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trees and brush before it shot up about five hundred feet,

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which is right about one hundred and fifty two and

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a half meters.

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You're welcome of the ground before just descending. So it's

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zipping around.

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It goes up, it comes down while getting closer to

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the swampy landing zone. A pair of small legs protruded

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from the bottom, preparing for landing if necessary. Not like

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people leggs or species legs. It's literally you have object.

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It starts to descend and two little legs like landing gears.

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Okay, he was Fred Flintstone in it, Like that's what

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I was picturing. It's two little alien legs. Pop it

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out like all right, we gotta stie.

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You gotta run slow, like extraterrestrial kickstands. Essentially.

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It was then that Frank and his son saw a

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football or oval shaped saucer about the size of a

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car at the time, which again, cars back then were

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much larger than the compact ones we have today. So

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when I say size of a car, don't think smart car,

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Think like an actual classic vintage.

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Car, a real car. People are gonna be hating me.

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It's okay, But so this huge thing about the size

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of Like I said, large car is hovering just above

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the swampscape of their property. There's a drawing associated with

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the event that shows a dome atop the automated astral

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object courtesy of Officer David Severance, I love a artiste.

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There also looks to be lights on both ends of

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the shape, and one larger light fixed in the middle.

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I just sent you a text of.

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The drawing, all right, So, like I said, we've got

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football shape. It's got a dome on the top. It

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looks like it's got lights on both points and then

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one in the middle, and then the two what they

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have labeled and the thing is antennas that come down,

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all right. The pair dashed inside to grab their handy

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dandy flashlights to guide their way to the mysterious machine

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and the ship. Once they got close enough was said

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to wild a waffle light grid texture on the surface.

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So this gave the exterior of the.

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Object a very quilted look, which I'll try to remember

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to put the photo in, like maybe as something somewhere.

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I'll post it on social media if I can remember

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to look it up. But if I don't, just google

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nine teen sixty six Michigan ufo in Google and it

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images and you will see it. It basically looks like

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a checkered ufo.

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Yeah, it looks like an eyeball almost.

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It does.

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So that's what I was thinking too when I first thought,

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I was like, oh, like a giant eye in the sky.

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Ooh, conspiracy theory.

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I'm trying to read. I'm just trying to read what

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he wrote underneath it after the sightings the witness or

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is that what you just read?

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No, go ahead, I got to put that in there.

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The witnesses put together this composite drawing at the I'm

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not some Sharon All headquarters showing the lights, surface and antenna.

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Everybody referred to it as quilted, and I kept the

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inn of bounty that quilted quicker picker up her.

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Now.

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They do say a low humming could be heard as

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they approached the so from a.

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Distance, nobody heard anything, but as they.

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Approached the craft, they were able to hear a low

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humming noise, and just as suddenly as it appeared, the

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lights turned off and the vessel vanished into thin air,

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just poof gone. After witnessing the strange event, Frank went

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inside and phoned the local police to report what they

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had seen. Having little crime in the small town of Dexter,

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Washtenaw County Sheriff Douglas J. Harvey picked up the phone,

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likely expecting a noise complaint or typical petty crime, maybe

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somebody tipped my cow or something. Unlike many extraterrestrial encounters,

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Harvey did not mock or disregard the report, but rather

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showed up full force, ready to search the property for

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possible imposters.

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Oh wow for him.

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One thing that helped the family with their authenticity was

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that officers on duty that same night had reported strange

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happenings during their patrols as well. On one hand, kudos

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to mister Harvey, but he had already been getting a

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bit to reports from fellow officers, so it set him up,

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I think to be more accepting. Either way, he accepted it,

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and kudos to that because that does not happen in

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the world of UFO sidings.

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And you said that it went up, I just like advanished.

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They didn't see it go up to the side anything else.

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They just saw lights go out and gone Yeah.

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So that's what I found as far the account goes. Now,

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I don't know one how close they got. I don't

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know how close they got to the craft. It's dark again.

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Rural community at night.

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Say that word rural. That's so hard for me to say.

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That's because I'm not from I'm not from your state.

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Rural.

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It just I don't know.

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It's it's like you have tost bark to say it.

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I hate that word so much.

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Then the family reports it.

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Then officers from Monroe County, Livingston County, and even a

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place called Sylvania, Ohio documented reports of quote red green

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objects moving at a fantastic speed.

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Same night.

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Is there military bases anywhere you're near? This?

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Good question? Let me see here.

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I'll just listen to the whole thing first, so I can't.

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Okay, well we'll come back. We'll come back to that.

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So for everybody out there, I don't know, just I

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am pleading ignorance. But also it was the sixties, so

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I don't know how airplanes even functioned. Then it's up

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in the air, depending on what you believe.

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I see what you did there.

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What's funny is I did not mean to do that.

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Oops.

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Natasha is so punny. Yeah, I'm the funniest person I know.

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Who are you kidding.

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But what I thought was interesting was one sheriff deputy

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went on the record stating that whatever he had witnessed

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that evening was quote the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

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End quote. Now granted, trust me, if you're from a

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small in the sixties, probably was a little bit more chill. Uh.

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There's not a whole lot going on, so really anything

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out of the ordinary is pretty strange.

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But this is, like I said.

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He was a little concerned and said that it was

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the weirdest thing he'd ever seen. A band of officers

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scoured through the mud and muck of the swamp in

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search of the add anomaly or evidence thereof. As you

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could probably guess, nothing concrete was found in the foliage

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for the norm The only bit of potentially convincing evidence

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was depressed grass in a circular pattern above, where Frank

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and his son claimed to have seen the craft lower

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and hover.

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Other than that, nothing now big.

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Of our circumference are we talking?

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It didn't tell me because if it was like a.

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Huge spaceship size, that's pretty interest.

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The craft is only the size of a car. This

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is not a huge mothership coming down, that's true, But

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even still depending on how it is propelling itself, if

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there's any wind or anything, the circle would in theory

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be larger than the craft itself. This's the size of

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a car, and it says saucer shaped. But I didn't

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see any accounts where it turned up at all, like

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on its side, to show that it was actually round.

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They just saw it from the side if the literally

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the top was top and the bottom was bottom, and

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it looked like a football, So I don't.

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Know what the backside looked like or what the.

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Oh my gosh, anterior posterior view, Oh my god, wow,

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all right, but the upper body inferior, Yeah, inferior, superior.

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So basically it's a two D, two dimensional thing that

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they saw.

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That's all we have a rendering of.

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There's nothing that anybody said that I was able to

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find in this account where it had turned either direction.

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It was just simply zip up, down, hover, disappear, comeo.

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But I guess essentially we'll just assume that it's circular

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because there was a circular bit of grass that had

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been pushed down in the area. Now we could speculate

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a whole bunch of oh did somebody put it there?

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Did somebody not put it there.

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But as far as I'm understanding, the response time was

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pretty quick. So if somebody were to put this down

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in the exact same spot that these men saw this,

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that's a lot of hubbub, because it's not like the

451
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boys were standing out there. It was they go out,

452
00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:08.039
they see the thing, and they're like, son of a bitch,

453
00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:09.359
they actually did They.

454
00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:10.319
Called before.

455
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:13.759
I thought, you said, they called after. I mean, they

456
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:15.079
must be crazy.

457
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:16.400
That's that's what I thought.

458
00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:20.039
But it's not like they were just like waiting around

459
00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:20.920
for five hours.

460
00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:22.400
Trust me, again, small tap.

461
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:25.039
Depending on how far out of town we're talking, probably

462
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:30.920
twenty thirty minutes max, I would assume. But to get

463
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:33.359
something at that time, to put that mark in, to

464
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:38.400
even think about needing to put that in, is pretty

465
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:43.359
crazy in my thought, because it's not like today where

466
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:47.519
we've had like damn near one hundred years of stuff

467
00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:49.960
going on and knowing how things work or having theories

468
00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:54.160
about how things work. It was all pretty new, so

469
00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:56.240
I don't think they would have had the wherewithal to

470
00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.319
think to fake anything if even if.

471
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:01.039
They wanted to. I don't think they would have even

472
00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:01.640
put that together.

473
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:07.000
Yeah, but during the next three hours, as the searchers underway,

474
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:13.960
around fifty more sightings in total were reported. Oh wow, yeah,

475
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:17.119
and this is just one night. So by the next eve,

476
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.720
reporters swarmed the Manners, one simple and quiet piece of property,

477
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:25.240
conducting interviews and demanding to see the exact landing location

478
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:29.880
of the local mystery. They also questioned the sheriff, trying

479
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:33.119
to poke holes in the Manner's story, but to their surprise,

480
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:36.319
Harvey stood firm on his trust in the local residence

481
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:41.400
and his subordinates, as he confidently responded, quote, these people

482
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.160
have seen something I know. I trust my men, and

483
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.519
I trust their reports. I don't know what it is,

484
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:50.920
but I'm sure they have seen something aloft end quote.

485
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.240
So he didn't back down, he didn't swamp gas, he

486
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:57.359
didn't do any of that. He was I am telling

487
00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:01.200
you all these people are saying the exact same thing,

488
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.680
and they're not close to each other necessarily. My men

489
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.559
are telling me, and I trust my deputies and officers

490
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.119
and all of that, And to me, that says a

491
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.279
lot that he's not backing down. He's I am telling you,

492
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:18.240
like these guys would not make this up something And

493
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:20.640
he does claim I don't know what it was, but

494
00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:26.119
they saw something, so kudos to them on that one too.

495
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:30.119
So all the reports were just lights or other people

496
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:37.119
claim to have seen ships as well. So yeah, sorry, yeah,

497
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:37.759
I in the sky.

498
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:44.680
I want to say that the most with this particular

499
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:46.759
one with the craft was they saw the craft. It

500
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:50.960
was on their property. They saw it. It was right there.

501
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.000
And again rural community, they're not going to be that close,

502
00:27:56.079 --> 00:28:00.279
so especially at night, no streetlights are no street lamps

503
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.759
are out there, there's no lights out there, like they

504
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.039
had to go get a flashlight to go see.

505
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.960
But they saw this. I'm just wondering if the other

506
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:13.640
families saw the same because my thing is just not military.

507
00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:15.119
Something that went through My.

508
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.519
Thing was is because they are so stretched out as

509
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:24.240
far as residents, like residential establishments, they wouldn't have been

510
00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:26.720
close enough to see a ship. They would have only

511
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:29.839
seen the lights because they were too far away to

512
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.440
see an actual craft. Because even the boys, they saw

513
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.519
the lights and the flickering and the zooming, but they

514
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:39.359
didn't see an actual craft until they got their flashlights

515
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:45.400
out and went up to it. So had they not

516
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:47.160
gone in and got their flashlights and went out for

517
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:49.720
a second look, they probably wouldn't even have seen it,

518
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.160
so that's just theorizing. But as far as I can understand,

519
00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:58.160
they're the only ones that saw the craft. Everybody else

520
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:01.319
just saw flashing and zoom in all of that stuff.

521
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:03.440
Again, this is for the first few hours.

522
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.400
Afterwards, they're getting more sightings in so it might have

523
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:12.359
bamped off the face of the earth at their location

524
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:15.279
at the Manor residence, and then the lights came on

525
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:22.039
periodically as it was moving through the area. So I

526
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:26.640
feel like different things were happening. So it's not fifty

527
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:33.119
sightings were on this exact same time, day, place thing.

528
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:34.079
It was.

529
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.920
This happens over the next few hours, they're getting more

530
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:41.279
and more reports in which I'm assuming again because they

531
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.200
are it's going to be people that are in different

532
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:46.400
areas getting different views and that kind of thing. And

533
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.559
with it being so dark and there aren't places like

534
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.680
there are now where we have three times that amount

535
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.799
of people in that area, so it's going to be

536
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.680
fewer people spread out more. It's going to be darker

537
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:04.079
because you're not having those city lights. There's probably a

538
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.160
sleepy town with maybe a few street lamps and a

539
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:09.079
stop light maybe.

540
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.039
Yeah, but that probably makes it super easy to see

541
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:12.839
lights if there are, if they are up.

542
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.119
There exactly, it would see the lights, but you wouldn't

543
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:17.319
be able to see a craft. I feel like the

544
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:22.880
craft would be darker because again too, if you're seeing

545
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.920
eyeball light, pupil light, and then two lights at the end,

546
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:31.119
depending on how bright they are, they're gonna how when

547
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:36.240
you look at really bright light in the dark, sunbursts out,

548
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:37.480
you know what I'm saying, Like it looks like the

549
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.640
light explodes. Or maybe it's because I have a stigmatism.

550
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.200
Oh my gosh, I have it so bad at night now,

551
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:46.680
So I have it really bad at night. It's awful.

552
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:50.720
But I just think that they would see the lights

553
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.039
and with them pulsing and stuff. It doesn't say how

554
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.880
fast necessarily, or how slow or any patterns, So all

555
00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.440
of the flashing would probably disorient people anyway, and they

556
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.960
wouldn't be able really get a good grasp of what

557
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.359
it is. Were the lights moving, were they not moving?

558
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:07.839
It could be zipping around, And if the lights are

559
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:10.759
flashing slow, it could be going in all different areas

560
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:11.759
before the lights come back on.

561
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:12.680
Does that make sense?

562
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:13.640
Yeah?

563
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:15.279
Okay, So I feel like it'd be a little harder

564
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:15.519
for that.

565
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.880
Unfortunately, not everyone got on board with the idea of

566
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:22.960
a UFO invading Michigan Skies.

567
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.759
Life got a little difficult for the Manners, with them

568
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.920
having their home their phones woo, with them.

569
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:35.680
Having their house vandalize. People are taking bottles and chucking

570
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.279
them at the house and even breaking their windows. Oh

571
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.559
my gosh, you've got to think too, they're probably thinking.

572
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:43.839
This whole family's off their rockers. They're insane. They're this,

573
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:48.240
they're that, they're the other. And as much as i'd

574
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:51.160
love to say that in the twenty first century, that's

575
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:52.400
not a problem very much.

576
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:57.680
So is still a problem. Oh, definitely the sheriff, so

577
00:31:57.720 --> 00:31:59.839
he's getting all these reports. Things are coming in.

578
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.079
Now we've got news crews, We've got I guess journalists.

579
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.519
I don't know. I don't know how many news crews

580
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:08.480
there were in the sixties.

581
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:10.839
But you have with that huge camera.

582
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:15.480
Yeah, you'd have to hook it to a horse because

583
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:16.039
it's so big.

584
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:19.559
You have people there, I guess.

585
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.319
Journalism and all of that trying to get the scoop.

586
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.960
They're flooding the place, people are vandalizing the house. There's

587
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.480
no answers. They're looking around, they're searching the woods, they're

588
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:33.119
searching the swamps, they're searching everywhere in the vicinity, and

589
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:34.359
there's no answer.

590
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:38.400
There's essentially just a circle in the ground and that

591
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:46.599
is it. And fifty one sightings. That's it. Probably more

592
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:47.559
than that. I do fifty one.

593
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:50.480
I do fifty sightings afterwards and the families. But then

594
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.720
I guess there were also police officers prior to that

595
00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:55.400
reporting stuff, but it didn't give me a number of

596
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:57.920
how many, So we'll just say upwards of probably sixty.

597
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.880
That's a significant report. Yes, but one night when you

598
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.240
said it's all spread out so far, so it's not

599
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:08.039
like this one city street corner that saw it. This

600
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.279
is over fifty reports spread out. Yep. That's a lot.

601
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:13.759
YEP.

602
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.519
And I would like to point out that it does

603
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:19.039
say the house is vandalized. It does not say who

604
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.960
vandalized it. I doubt it was adults vandalizing the house.

605
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:28.960
It's Ronald's friends, yeah, or I guess lack their enemies

606
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:30.799
and frenemies.

607
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.200
It's like when what they used to do in the

608
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:36.039
old days, you'd put dog poop in a paper bag

609
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:37.200
and light it on fire in front of the old

610
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.720
man's door, so that he would step on it and

611
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:41.039
put it out and you step a dog.

612
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:41.240
Shit.

613
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:44.279
It's a stupid crap that the kids did.

614
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.720
And even to this day, they go out and they

615
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:51.279
vandalize it's I don't know. I just want to disclaimer

616
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.039
that we don't know who vandalized it. It could have

617
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:55.359
been just kids dicking around.

618
00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:59.319
We don't know. It might just have been bored kids

619
00:33:59.319 --> 00:33:59.960
in the community.

620
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:03.000
They blot twist it was a sheriff.

621
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:03.640
Yeah.

622
00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:08.559
But anyway, so Harvey seeing all these things, things are

623
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:12.800
getting out of hand and he realizes that he needs assistance.

624
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.679
He reaches out to multiple federal agencies, but again ignored

625
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:21.400
after each attempt. So whereas he was open to the

626
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.400
reports and all of that, the people that he was

627
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.480
reaching out to were very much just ignoring him. And

628
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:32.400
you've got to put into consideration Project blue Book was

629
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:33.320
already a thing.

630
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:36.280
It was a thing.

631
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.360
I feel like it was established enough at that point

632
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:42.400
that if they were raising concerns to a federal level,

633
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:50.159
someone should have taken them seriously initially, not waited until

634
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:51.239
later to step in.

635
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:54.559
Desperate for answers.

636
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.639
He got absolutely no responses, but he was determined, and

637
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:03.559
he contacted his very own congressional representative, Weston Vivian.

638
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:06.079
Ooh, Weston's on the case.

639
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.840
Yeah.

640
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.559
For those familiar with the typical response regarding UFO ideologies,

641
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.000
you will be shocked to hear he was not shocked.

642
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.760
He was not quieted down. He was not ignored at

643
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:24.920
this level. So pats off to Weston and Weston after

644
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.239
throwing their weight around and pulling enough strings, he allured

645
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.719
the attention from the Air Force, so much so that

646
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:35.079
they dispatched a member of Project blue Book, doctor j

647
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.679
Allen Heinik, who will be discussing in more depth.

648
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:39.599
Which is going to be in part three.

649
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:44.679
So they actually dispatch an investigator from Project blue Book

650
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:45.679
to the area.

651
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:50.079
That's crazy that they're actually taking him serious, Like it's

652
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:51.880
not a bad thing. I'm just shocked.

653
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:53.159
That.

654
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.119
No, but they at least sent somebody out from Project

655
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:56.920
blue Book.

656
00:35:56.719 --> 00:36:01.679
That sent someone out to actually investigate. I'm doing air

657
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:05.559
quotes for everybody who can't see the video again. When

658
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:09.519
I go over Heinich in part three, you will understand

659
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:11.760
that you're like, oh, okay, maybe it wasn't as big

660
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.440
of a deal as you thought, but they did send

661
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:19.559
someone all right, it was like, Hey, I need you

662
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.039
to grab this box of tissues that's down in the basement,

663
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:28.920
and there's no basement. Okay, But anyways, we'll get into

664
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:32.920
that speculation that the media coverage influenced the reports of

665
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:37.039
some seemingly innocent college kids sixty miles southwest of Dexter

666
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:42.679
in a town now forever known as Hillsdale, And that

667
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.119
is where we are going to stop this segment of

668
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:49.119
the mischievous Michigan Martians, and we will continue with the

669
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:53.039
other batch of sightings that happened the following day next week.

670
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:57.559
I've never actually had a multiparter where I actually stopped.

671
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:01.599
The episode usually just ends and it just cuts off,

672
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.920
and because we just do it all at once, so

673
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.840
we were prepared this time. But yeah, so we got

674
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:12.559
nineteen sixty six, sleepy small town out in the middle

675
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:18.159
of nowhere, this regular plane jame farm fed family is

676
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:23.559
just chilling until their dogs start freaking out and they

677
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:24.800
go out because they're like, what the hell are they

678
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.920
barking at? Probably out there screaming at them, I'm sure,

679
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:31.599
And they look up and they see all these lights.

680
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:33.519
They get up to it, they see an actual craft,

681
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:35.400
so much so that they could identify the fact that

682
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:39.559
it had gridlines on it and two little legs that

683
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:43.440
come out. It's zipping around and then poof, and then

684
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.320
fifty more sightings in the area happen over the next

685
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:51.159
few hours. Police get involved. They immediately go out to investigate,

686
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.840
which I thought was impressive. I am more impressed with

687
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:56.440
the local police than anyone else in the story.

688
00:37:57.760 --> 00:37:58.599
Or this account.

689
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:02.960
I'm just trying to think the mindset, because you said

690
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.000
Project Bluebook was going out, So I wonder if like

691
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:11.559
people were at the time, like reading Time magazine, like aliens,

692
00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.119
they're here and that's why the police were doing it,

693
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.920
or I don't know. I'm just trying to put myself

694
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:18.559
in their headspace, and I can't.

695
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.440
I know that typically now, Granted I don't know what

696
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.800
it was like in the sixties, but I know that

697
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:29.000
a lot of small even my we have a local paper,

698
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:37.400
and our local paper covers our area and like surrounding areas.

699
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.840
You don't see a lot of national stuff in our

700
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.239
local paper now. Again, not to say that they might

701
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.079
have done that back in the day, I don't know.

702
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:48.960
I've never seen a paper from nineteen sixty six. But

703
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.559
another thing too, is it's a rural community. These people

704
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:59.960
probably only can't. They're using the farmer's almanac at this point,

705
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:04.159
probably for their crops.

706
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.239
It's cool that they're all looking at him like he's

707
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:09.199
not usually see him and be like, oh, that's the

708
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.039
crackpot family, but they're actually like listening to him going

709
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.719
out and investigating it. Some people.

710
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:18.559
It's a few things.

711
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:23.840
One, like you said, established in the community, very respected.

712
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:31.079
It just seems like an all American traditional family esque group.

713
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:34.960
Now my question would be, had the.

714
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:39.559
Other officers not reported multiple encounters that same night or

715
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:43.639
same sightings, would they have believed the family. Do you

716
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:45.440
think they would have believed the family if the other

717
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:49.440
officers had not reported encounters, I think.

718
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:51.480
They were less likely to believe the family. I don't

719
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:54.519
know if they just would write it off because you

720
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.920
said some other officers saw stuff as well.

721
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:59.760
So yeah, I'm just thinking if the officers had not

722
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.800
reported anything, I don't think that they would have went

723
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:07.360
out and investigated that night. They would have probably just

724
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:10.679
been like, Okay, that's weird and then just written it off.

725
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:13.400
I don't even know they would have filed it at

726
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:18.559
that point.

727
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.400
And I'm almost wondering as if they responded so quickly,

728
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:27.519
maybe the officers had reported something and they had dispatched

729
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:31.880
other officers trying to increase.

730
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:33.360
Me. Maybe something weird's happening.

731
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:35.800
Maybe we should increase, maybe send some people out just

732
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.159
in case, because what else are they gonna do.

733
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:39.960
It's a small town.

734
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.119
But maybe they were already out and that's why they

735
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.239
responded so fast. But from what I gathered, Harvey showed

736
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:53.679
up himself and saw the lights at some point. I

737
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:55.960
think we'll get into it later on, but I'm pretty

738
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:58.400
sure that he actually saw at least at the very

739
00:40:58.440 --> 00:40:59.280
least saw the lights.

740
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:05.760
Hm. And so it's kitt missed.

741
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.519
So you had the police showing up, which is great,

742
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.920
and then the police officer reaches out to the tries

743
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.639
to level up, like I'm going to chain of command,

744
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:18.679
We're going up to the federal and the federals. I

745
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:19.079
don't know.

746
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:22.079
I don't hear anything.

747
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.000
So he's but he is so determined to figure out

748
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:26.559
that's the other thing.

749
00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:27.719
He could have let it die.

750
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.599
He could have just brushed it off and been like, oh,

751
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:33.800
like just swept under the rug and move on. Oh,

752
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.119
I did my due diligence. I reported it. If they're

753
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.400
not showing up, they're not showing up. But whatever. But

754
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:40.880
he didn't. He was like, no, I want answers because

755
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:44.679
my men saw something. These people saw something, and I

756
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:49.400
want answers. Love the curious mind. It is fantastic, Harvey

757
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.760
or the sh isn't it? And so he went out

758
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:56.199
to the congressional level and was like, listen, you represent us.

759
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.440
That is your job. Your job is to help us,

760
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.760
So do your job right. And Weston was like, I

761
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:07.239
got you boo. And it was like I mean he was.

762
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:10.039
It was verbatim, Yeah, I got you boo.

763
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.639
And what I thought was interesting about it was it's

764
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.119
not like he went to one place and reported it.

765
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:22.000
From my research, what I gathered was he pulled multiple strengths.

766
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:26.440
He threw his weight around to get some attention to

767
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:27.559
get someone sent there.

768
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.079
He did not give up either. And that's why I'm like, man,

769
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:32.119
we need.

770
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:36.360
More people in office today like this where they listen

771
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:40.960
and they're willing to do something about it. And like

772
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.639
I said, it's a small community in Michigan.

773
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:48.679
This is so off topic. But I have my whole

774
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:51.559
life didn't believe in aliens. I was like, that's so ridiculous,

775
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:55.119
you know what I mean, like ech okay. But as

776
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:58.039
I started that movie podcast It's so good, I loved

777
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:01.000
you verymore. But as I started the poduct and actually learned,

778
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.440
I didn't even know like that there were different types

779
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:07.880
of aliens until I read Leslie's book. I'm so ignorant

780
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:10.840
on alien stuff. But then when you have Congress coming

781
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:16.519
out with the freaking that whole meeting that they televised

782
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.559
about having knowledge of aliens and this and that, now

783
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:23.039
I'm actually super interested in it, but I know nothing

784
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:24.239
about it.

785
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:26.639
It's well, I think it's so crazy is they had

786
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:30.360
the big flaps back when they first started having these sightings,

787
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:33.400
and everybody just beefed it up and everybody talked about

788
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:34.840
and then you had War of the World's coming on,

789
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:39.559
which just ruined I'm just destroyed everybody's mental state. And

790
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.320
I feel like, in all honesty, I feel like things

791
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:47.440
were taken more seriously or at least were investigated, whether

792
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:51.559
it be by local enforcement agencies or even communities that

793
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.960
were trying to get answers. But then War the World's happened.

794
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:58.639
And then when everybody when they finally found out that it.

795
00:43:58.599 --> 00:43:59.320
Wasn't real.

796
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.880
I think they used that to write off a bunch

797
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.079
of stuff. Oh, it's just because people are hearing about it.

798
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:08.519
It's just because of this. It's just because of that.

799
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:13.119
And I almost wonder if had that not happened, if

800
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:18.440
the investigatory atmosphere for UFO sightings, if it would have

801
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:23.400
progressed rather than go back. We want progress, we don't

802
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:28.239
want regression. And I feel like that hindered us a lot.

803
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:31.159
And then because of that, then you've got the whole

804
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:34.320
Roswell situation. And I feel like it just strayed farther

805
00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:37.480
and farther away from getting answers, and it was just

806
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:41.400
people don't want to know. Because when people reacted thinking

807
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:46.599
that broadcast was real, I feel like that set up

808
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:51.360
all kinds of agencies, all kinds of people everywhere that

809
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.519
they did not want something to be real. Because when

810
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:58.119
people freaked out over something fake, imagine what they would

811
00:44:58.159 --> 00:45:00.960
do if they found it was real. And I think

812
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:07.039
that made a lot of people skittish.

813
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.320
Would you want to know, because if there's something going

814
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:12.760
on and you can't do anything about it, there's nothing

815
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:13.519
you can do to change.

816
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:14.039
I don't know.

817
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:21.679
I would want to know, mainly because if I were

818
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:24.920
to see something, I would feel a lot more at

819
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:29.239
ease knowing something might be there. I don't like it's

820
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:32.199
like a jump scare, right, if you don't know what's

821
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:34.360
coming and it gets you. I cannot stand that. But

822
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:37.760
if I know it's coming, then it's okay.

823
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:38.960
Like this is a little.

824
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:40.960
Easier to deal with because I'm prepared. You can mentally

825
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:43.320
prepare yourself for anything to happen.

826
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:50.360
Maybe it's just me, but oh, and so.

827
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:51.880
I want to put out So the book she's talking

828
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:55.519
about is Leslie and Stephen Shaw, and I want to

829
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:56.519
see what is it.

830
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:58.440
Who they are and where they come from.

831
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:01.239
Or when I had the one, I said the title wrong,

832
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:03.639
it was a fantastic book.

833
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:06.159
Yeah, I just want amaze. I love giving them shout

834
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:06.920
outs because.

835
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:09.320
They are they are amazing people.

836
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:12.840
I had them on the show and they were great.

837
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:18.760
So their book is again Leslie and Stephen Shaw, and.

838
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:20.159
It is who they are and what they're up to.

839
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:22.639
If you were to.

840
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:26.519
Witness something anomalous in the sky, would you report?

841
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:33.840
It depends on what it was. If I could anomalist though, if.

842
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:36.599
You saw these flashing lights darting across the sky and

843
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.360
then hovering and then going.

844
00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:39.639
Up down and all of this stuff.

845
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:42.000
You're close enough to it that you see a football

846
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.480
shape with a dome and two little pegs the size

847
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:49.000
of a freaking car, so close that you can see

848
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:50.320
that there's gridlines on it.

849
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:52.079
Would you report that?

850
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:56.440
I honestly don't know.

851
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:04.079
See, I don't know. Oh. I would probably ask around first.

852
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.960
Yeah, I could see doing that, like going to neighborsky,

853
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:09.760
did you see that? Did you see that? And if

854
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:13.719
I get confirmation, then maybe okay.

855
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:15.360
But we've got to factor this in.

856
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:21.760
We have been programmed with all of the was it misinformation,

857
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:27.800
disinformation whatever, not true false information, and we have grown

858
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:32.559
up knowing about the stigma behind reporting these things. But

859
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:37.719
if you did not have any incline or wish, if

860
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:41.960
you did not have any inclination that if you reported it,

861
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:44.679
you would be ridiculed, you would be made fun of

862
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:49.559
or whatever, you would be scrutinized. I feel like that

863
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:53.239
makes a big difference. If I did not know that

864
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:55.960
I was going to get ridiculed. I feel like if

865
00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:58.960
I knew, or if I didn't know that would happen,

866
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:00.679
I would probably report it because I'd be like, dude,

867
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:03.679
this is some weird shit, someone's in my property. Because again,

868
00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:07.079
rural communities, you're like, dude, there's some GTFO.

869
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:11.440
Yeah, minus the stigma. But also, if you call the

870
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:15.000
local police department and let them know, what do you

871
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.079
think they're going to do, they'll be like, oh, I'll

872
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:19.039
write it up, like they're not going to do anything

873
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:23.840
with it. I bet if they weren't supposed to be

874
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:25.840
there and there are two men, they can at the

875
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:28.679
minimum go up and do like a field interrogation, you

876
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:31.119
know what I mean, just Hi, how are you? What

877
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:33.000
are you doing here? But they're not stopping them, but

878
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:35.079
they can just talk to them and be like, that's

879
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:37.679
very different than a spaceship, you know that looks like

880
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:40.840
a paper towel in the sky, a little leg.

881
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:44.280
I'm just thinking the song in my head.

882
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:48.440
But two also, you got to think the livelihood of

883
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:51.559
this community revolves around the farmers of the time. It's

884
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:56.239
not like they had factories or anything like that in

885
00:48:56.280 --> 00:48:58.599
this community that I am aware of. It was strictly

886
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:02.480
a farming community. So those crops are the blood of

887
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.519
that community. So if something is messing around with that

888
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:09.920
property and destroying those crops or potentially destroying those crops.

889
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:12.559
They are a threat to the community, not just this family.

890
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:14.920
So I can see them being like, we better go

891
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:16.639
figure this out real quick, because if it's shown up

892
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:18.000
at this farm, in might show up at the next

893
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:19.760
farm and the next farm and the next farm, and

894
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.119
we can have a bigger problem on our hands, the

895
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:25.159
box and the bigger box. And then put that box

896
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:27.079
into the box. That is like the second or third

897
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:28.960
week in a row we have. I've had this reference

898
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:33.400
on the show. I made it last week.

899
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:35.920
Put the bucks under the books.

900
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.199
I'm out to myself anyway, But yeah, I just feel

901
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:43.599
like I was impressed with how they handled the situation

902
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:49.079
up until the federal point. I was definitely taken aback

903
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.159
actually because I wasn't ready for it to be like, oh,

904
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.960
like I read it more than what's going Wait, they listened. Yeah,

905
00:49:56.039 --> 00:50:01.320
they didn't degrade them or write it up people like

906
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:05.480
they responded by golly, they did their jobs and you

907
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:12.239
don't hear that happening very often. So definitely hats off

908
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.440
to that. Do you have any other thoughts on it

909
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:18.719
or opinions on how you would have handled it how

910
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:21.360
they handled it?

911
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:23.800
Any Chris hated.

912
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.920
To hear what goes on. I want to know, after investigating,

913
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:30.280
were there ships in the area, what are the possible causes.

914
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.519
And that's what I'm wanting into. When you get into that,

915
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:35.239
I'm waiting for that.

916
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:38.239
I'm excited because again, this is.

917
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:44.440
One family, essentially only two people of the family, and

918
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:47.159
we never again the sixties, we never heard what the

919
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:49.320
wife's the mom's viewpoint was.

920
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:51.800
It was what she saw. She was probably in vacuumacum

921
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.000
in I love it.

922
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:57.079
We're both thinking that the house was vacuuming her house

923
00:50:57.719 --> 00:50:59.559
night at night, and our pearls yep.

924
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:00.679
I would like to.

925
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:04.440
Point out that it is currently what midnight at my

926
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:06.920
house and I am when I get done here, I

927
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:08.079
am literally going.

928
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:13.199
To vacuum my house because I can, and I work

929
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:16.079
nights now, so I'm up. But I just thought that

930
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:16.880
was funny.

931
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:20.559
I yeah, But there's two people that actually see the

932
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.840
craft that I am aware of. I'm not sure how

933
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.000
close the sheriff got. I think I bring it up

934
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:27.719
and later at some point I'm not sure why I

935
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:29.719
didn't think to put it here, but I'm pretty sure

936
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.840
I cover it. But either way, there's a very limited

937
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:36.119
amount of people that actually see the saucer.

938
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:37.800
It's just there's not very many.

939
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:39.840
A lot of people see lights, but not as many

940
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:43.159
people see the saucer. Next week when we go over Heelsdale,

941
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:48.719
heels that woo Hillsdale. Let me just get a little

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Midwestern on you. It's gonna be a big difference. It's

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I feel like it is more intense. Things really escalate,

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and it brings this whole spat like way into the

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forefront of the news community. So it's gonna be really

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intense next week. So I'm pretty excited about that. But yeah, seriously, disclaimer,

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I'm totally shameless plugging this. Go check out my store

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and go. I don't care if it's Tea Public. So

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I actually have one. I got mine from Tea Public.

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It's tied I and it's got the it's just swamp

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gas on it. But definitely go check it out. I've

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got some other alien merch on there as well, and

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stuff like that for anybody who's interested in that stuff.

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But yeah, so I guess we'll wrap this up and

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we'll continue next.

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Week, all right, see you bye.

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